| Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383038] |
So, 23 April 2006 14:23 |
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This is slightly off-topic.
I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
come from a small to medium organisiation. There is no faking or
false status involved.
I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
preprinted items.
What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
The letters are going to be sent to people who are used to receiving
such corespondence so letterheads produced by a doemstic laserjet
(with its slightly patchy shading of blocks of colour) is not going
to look right.
The volumes I need seem a bit too low to trouble a commercial
printer for.
Do you think I get the results I want by making a design on my own PC
and taking it to a pro copy shop that has something like colour laser
printing. I have heard of Kinko but never used them.
What other options should I consider?
Jim
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383039 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 14:34 |
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Jim wrote:
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
> coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
> come from a small to medium organisiation. There is no faking or
> false status involved.
>
> I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
> preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
> come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
> preprinted items.
>
> What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
Have a look at http://www.thepaperking.com and their business stationery
sets.
> Jim
Surname Rockford?
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383040 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:19 |
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> This is slightly off-topic.
No, very off-topic
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383041 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:26 |
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Jim wrote:
> This is slightly off-topic.
www.vistaprint.co.uk
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Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383042 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:27 |
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Yes
You could try using Dreamweaver which can be downloaded free...
Cash
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383043 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:38 |
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"Jim" <jim [at] nomail.com> wrote in message
> The letters are going to be sent to people who are used to receiving
> such corespondence so letterheads produced by a doemstic laserjet
> (with its slightly patchy shading of blocks of colour) is not going
> to look right.
http://desktoppub.about.com/od/silkscreenprinting/
http://www.ehow.com/how_11480_choose-desktop-publishing.html
http://www.yell.com
HTH, HAND, HORSE.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383045 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:47 |
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Jim wrote:
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery.
Since you don't provide a reply email address it's difficult to respond
to you without spamming the newsgroup. My company does undertake small
design and print jobs in high quality colour output. I'd consider the
work that you mention.
You aren't completely clear about what sort of job you want, i.e. do you
want someone to design the logo layout the pages etc or just to print
off something that you have designed yourself? Also are you likely to
want more in the future or is this it, 150 pages total?
If you want to talk about it, try contacting me at
sales(at)malloc(dot)co(dot)uk. Don't respond directly to this post
because all replies go straight into the bin. Be aware, that it doesn't
really matter how few pages you have done, the labour cost remains about
the same for the work and *that* is the most important cost in the
process. That, and VAT which can be more than the profit element of
doing the job for such small jobs.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383046 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:48 |
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cashbuster [at] googlemail.com wrote:
> Yes
> You could try using Dreamweaver which can be downloaded free...
> Cash
>
Err Dreamweaver isn't appropriate at all. It's a web design package.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383048 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 15:11 |
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Jim wrote:
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
> coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
> come from a small to medium organisiation. ...
> I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
> preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
> come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
> preprinted items.
> What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
> The letters are going to be sent to people who are used to receiving
> such corespondence so letterheads produced by a doemstic laserjet
> (with its slightly patchy shading of blocks of colour) is not going
> to look right.
> The volumes I need seem a bit too low to trouble a commercial
> printer for.
A commercial printer should do any volume, but the costs per ream will
be prohibitive, especially for four- or six-colour work.
> Do you think I get the results I want by making a design on my own PC
> and taking it to a pro copy shop that has something like colour laser
> printing. I have heard of Kinko but never used them.
Colour laser is (pretty much) colour laser.
Depending on exactly what you need on first and continuation pages, it
might be possible (and a lot cheaper) to get pages colour printed with
the logo, which will do for both first and continuation pages, then
overprint the sender's address on the first pages using a template set
up in the word processor. This technique is used by quite a lot of large
organisations, councils etc.
Otherwise there are the generic printed papers from Papers Direct etc,
that you overprint with your own address.
Owain
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383054 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 17:43 |
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In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
> This is slightly off-topic.
>
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
> coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
> come from a small to medium organisiation. There is no faking or
> false status involved.
>
> I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
> preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
> come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
> preprinted items.
>
> What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
>
> The letters are going to be sent to people who are used to receiving
> such corespondence so letterheads produced by a doemstic laserjet
> (with its slightly patchy shading of blocks of colour) is not going
> to look right.
>
> The volumes I need seem a bit too low to trouble a commercial
> printer for.
>
> Do you think I get the results I want by making a design on my own PC
> and taking it to a pro copy shop that has something like colour laser
> printing. I have heard of Kinko but never used them.
>
> What other options should I consider?
I'm surprised you think this is too short a run for a commercial printer,
because generally speaking commercial printers use Laserjet and Inkjet
printers for short runs. But the difference is being a commercial printer
having the advantage of bulk buying and wholesale prices on ink cartridges,
unlike the average home user will tend to use proper inks and be geared up
to produce the best quality results.
You could do this on a domestic printer but generally in my experience
anything apart from branded ink cartridges will simply not produce adequate
quality and is it really worth spending £50+ on either a new printer or a
full set of cartridges simply to print 50 letterheads?
There is no reason why you couldn't do this design on your own computer. If
you have nothing else available Microsoft Word has enough basic layout and
vector drawing facilities to design and produce a professional looking
letterhead. In fact at a push MS Word can be used as a DTP program because
if you use the Text boxes and graphic alignment and text wrap settings and
know how to alter the default borders it puts on things one can produce very
professional results. The other thing is MSWord has letter head Wizards
which can help you put something together which looks reasonably
professional without needing a degree in Graphic Design. And of course most
commercial printers can read MS Word files.
Saying that there can be pitfalls using MS Word particularly if you do
anything non standard such as use unusual fonts or special effects since not
all versions of MS Word are the same. E.g Apple Macs have a version which is
nothing like the PC version.
I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy Magazines and
night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork to be sent to the
publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in Adobe Acrobat PDF format,
or even in some cases as a large JPEG, because a bitmap format is only 100%
reliable way of ensuring all the fonts and any special effects used such as
drop shadows can be interpreted as intended on any computer with any
platform.
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Amanda
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383056 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 17:45 |
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In news:1145798863.499914.281430 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
cashbuster [at] googlemail.com <cashbuster [at] googlemail.com> typed:
> Yes
> You could try using Dreamweaver which can be downloaded free...
> Cash
Why? That's a Web design Package :) Actually he'd probably be better off
with MS Office Word for designing a letterhead, in fact it even has Wizards
for this job, so even someone totally inexperienced with design could create
a professional looking letterhead :)
--
Amanda
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383059 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:17 |
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In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork
> to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in
> Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a large JPEG,
> because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of ensuring all the
> fonts and any special effects used such as drop shadows can be
> interpreted as intended on any computer with any platform.
> --
> Amanda
BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for business in this
thread LOL if you can find a suitable local printer I could knock up the
design for you including a logo supplied in Adobe Acrobat PDF or any
suitable format ready to be taken to your printer for £30 and I accept
Paypal :)
--
Amanda
www.artberry.net
www.cheapaschips.cc
PS I can be contacted through either of the above websites :)
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383062 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:24 |
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Jim wrote:
> This is slightly off-topic.
>
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
> coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
> come from a small to medium organisiation. There is no faking or
> false status involved.
>
> I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
> preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
> come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
> preprinted items.
Have you tried VistaPrint?
They normally do free short runs of stationery as a marketing ploy....I know
they'll do you 250 business cards for free, so they might do letterheads
too.....
http://www.vistaprint.com
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383063 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:25 |
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cashbuster [at] googlemail.com wrote:
> Yes
> You could try using Dreamweaver which can be downloaded free...
> Cash
How on earth would that help?....Did you read the OP's question at all?
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383064 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:29 |
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DIY - Word, Publisher, Quark, Indesign etc etc whatever programme you
have. Lotsa people do it, who needs a local printer nowadays when you
have one on your desktop? If your desktop printer isn't very good a new
one would be cheaper than employing a live one. It'd pay for itself in
one job.
cheers
Jacob
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383065 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:29 |
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Jim wrote:
> This is slightly off-topic.
>
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
> coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
> come from a small to medium organisiation. There is no faking or
> false status involved.
>
> I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
> preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
> come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
> preprinted items.
>
> What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
You could design the letterhead on your PC and put it on a CDRom...Take that
CDRom to your local branch of Staples, and they'll do however many full
colour prints of it as you require using an extremely high quality colour
laser printer......
I've used this service on a number of occasions, and it's very good and
affordable too.....
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383066 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:43 |
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Amanda Angelika wrote:
> In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
>> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
>> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
>
>> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
>> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork
>> to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in
>> Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a large JPEG,
>> because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of ensuring all the
>> fonts and any special effects used such as drop shadows can be
>> interpreted as intended on any computer with any platform.
>> --
>> Amanda
>
>
> BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for business in this
> thread LOL if you can find a suitable local printer I could knock up the
> design for you including a logo supplied in Adobe Acrobat PDF or any
> suitable format ready to be taken to your printer for £30 and I accept
> Paypal :)
And I'd say that's very reasonable and I wouldn't set finger to mouse
for that little.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383067 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:46 |
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owdman [at] googlemail.com wrote:
> DIY - Word, Publisher, Quark, Indesign etc etc whatever programme you
> have. Lotsa people do it, who needs a local printer nowadays when you
> have one on your desktop?
Indeed, who needs a local printer when they have access to a packet of
crayons and a ream of paper.
> If your desktop printer isn't very good a new
> one would be cheaper than employing a live one. It'd pay for itself in
> one job.
It may, but experience shows that mostly it won't.
I wouldn't denigrate the skills of the OP they may be perfectly capable
of creating a brilliant professional job, but somehow I get the feeling
they wouldn't be asking across a slew of newsgroups for assistance if
they were capable of doing the job by themselves.
Of the offers so far Amanda's seems very reasonable.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383068 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 18:50 |
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Swampy Bogtrotter wrote:
>Have you tried VistaPrint?
>They normally do free short runs of stationery as a marketing ploy....I know
>they'll do you 250 business cards for free, so they might do letterheads
>too.....
>http://www.vistaprint.com
They'll spam your mailbox for years afterwards...
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383069 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 19:01 |
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In article <pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm surprised you think this is too short a run for a commercial printer,
> because generally speaking commercial printers use Laserjet and Inkjet
> printers for short runs.
Why on earth would a commercial printer use an inkjet?
--
*It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats*
Dave Plowman dave [at] davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383070 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 19:07 |
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"vulgarandmischevious" wrote
> They'll spam your mailbox for years afterwards...
They'd have a job to do that, if you gave them
a temporary (throw-away) email address!
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383071 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 19:26 |
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In news:e2gb5a$5ag$1 [at] genet.malloc.co.uk,
Steve Firth <%steve% [at] malloc.co.uk> typed:
> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>> In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
>> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
>>> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
>>> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
>>
>>> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
>>> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork
>>> to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in
>>> Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a large JPEG,
>>> because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of ensuring all
>>> the fonts and any special effects used such as drop shadows can be
>>> interpreted as intended on any computer with any platform.
>>> --
>>> Amanda
>>
>>
>> BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for business
>> in this thread LOL if you can find a suitable local printer I could
>> knock up the design for you including a logo supplied in Adobe
>> Acrobat PDF or any suitable format ready to be taken to your printer
>> for £30 and I accept Paypal :)
>
> And I'd say that's very reasonable and I wouldn't set finger to mouse
> for that little.
Yes I suppose it is. But it doesn't take long to design a letterhead and a
neat logo. Of course if he was a multi-national I'd probably charge at least
10K for the same job and call myself a design consultant :)
--
Amanda
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383072 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 19:28 |
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In news:f2cn425evm6fb08ot95fean26kh0hvuumm [at] 4ax.com,
vulgarandmischevious <me7 [at] privacy.net> typed:
> Swampy Bogtrotter wrote:
>
>> Have you tried VistaPrint?
>> They normally do free short runs of stationery as a marketing
>> ploy....I know they'll do you 250 business cards for free, so they
>> might do letterheads too.....
>> http://www.vistaprint.com
>
> They'll spam your mailbox for years afterwards...
But those sort of spammers are easy to deal with give your email as
vistaprint [at] mydomain and then set it to bounce after you have finished with
them :)
--
Amanda
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383073 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 19:53 |
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Amanda Angelika wrote:
> In news:e2gb5a$5ag$1 [at] genet.malloc.co.uk,
> Steve Firth <%steve% [at] malloc.co.uk> typed:
>> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>>> In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
>>> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
>>>> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
>>>> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
>>>> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
>>>> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork
>>>> to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in
>>>> Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a large JPEG,
>>>> because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of ensuring all
>>>> the fonts and any special effects used such as drop shadows can be
>>>> interpreted as intended on any computer with any platform.
>>>> --
>>>> Amanda
>>>
>>> BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for business
>>> in this thread LOL if you can find a suitable local printer I could
>>> knock up the design for you including a logo supplied in Adobe
>>> Acrobat PDF or any suitable format ready to be taken to your printer
>>> for £30 and I accept Paypal :)
>> And I'd say that's very reasonable and I wouldn't set finger to mouse
>> for that little.
>
> Yes I suppose it is. But it doesn't take long to design a letterhead and a
> neat logo. Of course if he was a multi-national I'd probably charge at least
> 10K for the same job and call myself a design consultant :)
Sadly, my past experience is that it also doesn't take long for the
client to start jerking one's chain so trying to estimate time for the
job +VAT is generally a good idea (heck getting back on topic for
uk.finance).
Your quote is for about 1/2 an hours work which is reasonable if it's a
clean and simple job. If the client then gets into "I don't like that,
move this" you're heading for a loss.
Especially if your intention is to charge £25.53 + VAT.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383074 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 19:47 |
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Amanda Angelika wrote:
>In news:f2cn425evm6fb08ot95fean26kh0hvuumm [at] 4ax.com,
>vulgarandmischevious <me7 [at] privacy.net> typed:
>> Swampy Bogtrotter wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried VistaPrint?
>>> They normally do free short runs of stationery as a marketing
>>> ploy....I know they'll do you 250 business cards for free, so they
>>> might do letterheads too.....
>>> http://www.vistaprint.com
>>
>> They'll spam your mailbox for years afterwards...
>
>But those sort of spammers are easy to deal with give your email as
>vistaprint [at] mydomain and then set it to bounce after you have finished with
>them :)
I do. It still annoys me, though.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383075 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 20:33 |
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In news:4e1c2b5126dave [at] davenoise.co.uk,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave [at] davenoise.co.uk> typed:
> In article <pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm surprised you think this is too short a run for a commercial
>> printer, because generally speaking commercial printers use Laserjet
>> and Inkjet printers for short runs.
>
> Why on earth would a commercial printer use an inkjet?
Because they are capable of resolutions exceeding litho printing and are
Ideal for short run colour printing, where the cost of making Litho plates
would not be cost effective. Laser and inkjet technologies have
revolutionised the printing industry. Because whereas 30 years ago it would
cost £1000 to have litho plates made which meant it wasn't cost effective to
do colour printing in runs of less than 10,000. It is now cost effective to
do colour printing in extremely short runs. In fact large Ink jet printers
are often used for making posters and reproducing art and are capable of
1500 to 3000dpi photo quality printing that can exceed even the quality of
Cibachromes. :)
--
Amanda
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383076 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 20:46 |
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In news:e2gf9b$5q5$1 [at] genet.malloc.co.uk,
Steve Firth <%steve% [at] malloc.co.uk> typed:
> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>> In news:e2gb5a$5ag$1 [at] genet.malloc.co.uk,
>> Steve Firth <%steve% [at] malloc.co.uk> typed:
>>> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>>>> In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
>>>> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
>>>>> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
>>>>> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
>>>>> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
>>>>> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output
>>>>> artwork to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit
>>>>> bitmap in Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a
>>>>> large JPEG, because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of
>>>>> ensuring all the fonts and any special effects used such as drop
>>>>> shadows can be interpreted as intended on any computer with any
>>>>> platform. --
>>>>> Amanda
>>>>
>>>> BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for
>>>> business in this thread LOL if you can find a suitable local
>>>> printer I could knock up the design for you including a logo
>>>> supplied in Adobe Acrobat PDF or any suitable format ready to be
>>>> taken to your printer for £30 and I accept Paypal :)
>>> And I'd say that's very reasonable and I wouldn't set finger to
>>> mouse for that little.
>>
>> Yes I suppose it is. But it doesn't take long to design a letterhead
>> and a neat logo. Of course if he was a multi-national I'd probably
>> charge at least 10K for the same job and call myself a design
>> consultant :)
>
> Sadly, my past experience is that it also doesn't take long for the
> client to start jerking one's chain so trying to estimate time for the
> job +VAT is generally a good idea (heck getting back on topic for
> uk.finance).
>
> Your quote is for about 1/2 an hours work which is reasonable if it's
> a clean and simple job. If the client then gets into "I don't like
> that, move this" you're heading for a loss.
>
> Especially if your intention is to charge £25.53 + VAT.
Yes that is true. Saying that I'm not big enough to be VAT registered. Of
course being a designer I'm also reasonably adept at designing my own image
and Web presence so that I look a lot more successful than I really am. It's
all smoke and mirrors really but since that's what most people want from a
designer it kind of works :)
--
Amanda
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383077 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 20:45 |
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The message <Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1>
from Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> contains these words:
> What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
Inkjet printer.
--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383086 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:33 |
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"Amanda Angelika" <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YLP2g.40392$zf1.23254 [at] newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> In news:4e1c2b5126dave [at] davenoise.co.uk,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave [at] davenoise.co.uk> typed:
> > In article <pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
> > Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm surprised you think this is too short a run for a commercial
> >> printer, because generally speaking commercial printers use Laserjet
> >> and Inkjet printers for short runs.
> >
> > Why on earth would a commercial printer use an inkjet?
>
> Because they are capable of resolutions exceeding litho printing and are
> Ideal for short run colour printing, where the cost of making Litho plates
> would not be cost effective. Laser and inkjet technologies have
> revolutionised the printing industry. Because whereas 30 years ago it
would
> cost £1000 to have litho plates made which meant it wasn't cost effective
to
> do colour printing in runs of less than 10,000. It is now cost effective
to
> do colour printing in extremely short runs. In fact large Ink jet printers
> are often used for making posters and reproducing art and are capable of
> 1500 to 3000dpi photo quality printing that can exceed even the quality of
> Cibachromes. :)
>
> --
> Amanda
>
>
Aaaah, for the good old days of letterpress! A jobbing printer would have
set this up on an Adana 8x5 in no time . . .
Roger
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383087 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:27 |
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Jim wrote:
> This is slightly off-topic.
>
> I live in London. Can you people here help me with getting a small
> volume of preprinted stationery. I want to get some A4 paper with
> coloured letterhead so that some letters look very formal as if they
> come from a small to medium organisiation. There is no faking or
> false status involved.
>
> I need 50 "first" pages which would have a logo and various
> preprinted items on the page and then 100 "second pages" which would
> come from the same paper stock and which may or may not have
> preprinted items.
>
> What is the cheapest or best way to get this?
Corel draw, or similar, and take the file to someone with a color
laserprinter.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383088 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:28 |
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Amanda Angelika wrote:
> In news:1145798863.499914.281430 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
> cashbuster [at] googlemail.com <cashbuster [at] googlemail.com> typed:
>> Yes
>> You could try using Dreamweaver which can be downloaded free...
>> Cash
>
> Why? That's a Web design Package :) Actually he'd probably be better off
> with MS Office Word for designing a letterhead, in fact it even has Wizards
> for this job, so even someone totally inexperienced with design could create
> a professional looking letterhead :)
A matter of opinion...YOU try floating a gif *behind* some text in WORD.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383089 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:32 |
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owdman [at] googlemail.com wrote:
> DIY - Word, Publisher, Quark, Indesign etc etc whatever programme you
> have. Lotsa people do it, who needs a local printer nowadays when you
> have one on your desktop? If your desktop printer isn't very good a new
> one would be cheaper than employing a live one. It'd pay for itself in
> one job.
>
Desktop printers are either inkjet, which is useless (not waterproof and
very naff) or low res.or both..you need at least 600dpi for a class
laser print job, and even that is never up to a proper lithoplate print.
Such printers are not cheap.
The break even point between laser and setting up for a proper print
depends on the number of colors, but its usually in the hundreds of
copies range.,Below that a professional laser printed job is the way to go.
Use of WORD to prepare the artwork is not advised...it has not the
functionality to do the job. Quark or Corel Draw or one or two other
packages are better.
> cheers
>
> Jacob
>
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383090 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:40 |
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Amanda Angelika wrote:
> In news:e2gb5a$5ag$1 [at] genet.malloc.co.uk,
> Steve Firth <%steve% [at] malloc.co.uk> typed:
>> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>>> In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
>>> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
>>>> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
>>>> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
>>>> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
>>>> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork
>>>> to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in
>>>> Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a large JPEG,
>>>> because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of ensuring all
>>>> the fonts and any special effects used such as drop shadows can be
>>>> interpreted as intended on any computer with any platform.
>>>> --
>>>> Amanda
>>>
>>> BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for business
>>> in this thread LOL if you can find a suitable local printer I could
>>> knock up the design for you including a logo supplied in Adobe
>>> Acrobat PDF or any suitable format ready to be taken to your printer
>>> for £30 and I accept Paypal :)
>> And I'd say that's very reasonable and I wouldn't set finger to mouse
>> for that little.
>
> Yes I suppose it is. But it doesn't take long to design a letterhead and a
> neat logo. Of course if he was a multi-national I'd probably charge at least
> 10K for the same job and call myself a design consultant :)
It takes about ten minutes to design a logo, times 5 that the customer
asked for, then about 3 days of PDFS going backwards and forwards,, and
several board meetings where the right one is selected, except that
someone who has no knowledge of graphics then asks 'can't we...' and you
spend another day trying to achieve the impossible, which you do, but
they then decide they didn't like it anyway, and go back to the one of
the five you originally proposed, then ask to have it so they can get
their own print job done, then come back to you after discovering that
WORD and a color inkjet they got from staples doesn't cut the mustard,
then they argue a few days more over the bill, and after about a month
you might get a cheque for a hundred quid.
Which is why you call yourself a design consultant, insist that you know
more than they do, and charge £10k. At least they MAY respect your
judgment at this point. And it just about covers the hassle of dealing
with the stupid jerks who all think that because they used MSpaint once,
they know all about graphic art..in a commercial env.
(My wife is a very very experienced graphic artists, and gave up in
disgust..that is pretty much the way the last 'favour for a small
startup' went...)
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383091 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:42 |
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Steve Firth wrote:
> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>> In news:e2gb5a$5ag$1 [at] genet.malloc.co.uk,
>> Steve Firth <%steve% [at] malloc.co.uk> typed:
>>> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>>>> In news:pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net,
>>>> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> typed:
>>>>> In news:Xns97AE882A6577A5D4AM2 [at] 127.0.0.1,
>>>>> Jim <jim [at] nomail.com> typed:
>>>>> I do a bit of graphic design myself mainly adverts for Glossy
>>>>> Magazines and night club flyers and generally tend to output artwork
>>>>> to be sent to the publisher or printer as a 300 ppi 24bit bitmap in
>>>>> Adobe Acrobat PDF format, or even in some cases as a large JPEG,
>>>>> because a bitmap format is only 100% reliable way of ensuring all
>>>>> the fonts and any special effects used such as drop shadows can be
>>>>> interpreted as intended on any computer with any platform.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Amanda
>>>>
>>>> BTW bearing in mind one or two other people are touting for business
>>>> in this thread LOL if you can find a suitable local printer I could
>>>> knock up the design for you including a logo supplied in Adobe
>>>> Acrobat PDF or any suitable format ready to be taken to your printer
>>>> for £30 and I accept Paypal :)
>>> And I'd say that's very reasonable and I wouldn't set finger to mouse
>>> for that little.
>>
>> Yes I suppose it is. But it doesn't take long to design a letterhead
>> and a
>> neat logo. Of course if he was a multi-national I'd probably charge at
>> least
>> 10K for the same job and call myself a design consultant :)
>
> Sadly, my past experience is that it also doesn't take long for the
> client to start jerking one's chain so trying to estimate time for the
> job +VAT is generally a good idea (heck getting back on topic for
> uk.finance).
>
> Your quote is for about 1/2 an hours work which is reasonable if it's a
> clean and simple job. If the client then gets into "I don't like that,
> move this" you're heading for a loss.
>
> Especially if your intention is to charge £25.53 + VAT.
Its amazing the amount of pounds people will waste trying to save pennies...
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383092 ] |
So, 23 April 2006 23:43 |
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Amanda Angelika wrote:
> In news:4e1c2b5126dave [at] davenoise.co.uk,
> Dave Plowman (News) <dave [at] davenoise.co.uk> typed:
>> In article <pgN2g.10639$E12.10533 [at] newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
>> Amanda Angelika <manic_mandy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm surprised you think this is too short a run for a commercial
>>> printer, because generally speaking commercial printers use Laserjet
>>> and Inkjet printers for short runs.
>> Why on earth would a commercial printer use an inkjet?
>
> Because they are capable of resolutions exceeding litho printing and are
> Ideal for short run colour printing, where the cost of making Litho plates
> would not be cost effective. Laser and inkjet technologies have
> revolutionised the printing industry. Because whereas 30 years ago it would
> cost £1000 to have litho plates made which meant it wasn't cost effective to
> do colour printing in runs of less than 10,000. It is now cost effective to
> do colour printing in extremely short runs. In fact large Ink jet printers
> are often used for making posters and reproducing art and are capable of
> 1500 to 3000dpi photo quality printing that can exceed even the quality of
> Cibachromes. :)
>
Yes, but they don't come at £50 in staples do they?
PS you are being overcharged for the plates...never paid that much for a
set...
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383093 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 00:11 |
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Jim wrote:
> Do you think I get the results I want by making a design on my own PC
> and taking it to a pro copy shop that has something like colour laser
> printing. I have heard of Kinko but never used them.
>
> What other options should I consider?
A top of the range inkjet printer such as the Canon Pixma IP8500 will
produce excellent results, much better than you can get from a laser
printer, and at least as good as what you would get from a commercial
printer. Mine cost me £280 when I bought it. It is probably cheaper now.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383094 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 00:18 |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Amanda Angelika wrote:
>> In news:1145798863.499914.281430 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
>> cashbuster [at] googlemail.com <cashbuster [at] googlemail.com> typed:
>>> Yes
>>> You could try using Dreamweaver which can be downloaded free...
>>> Cash
>>
>> Why? That's a Web design Package :) Actually he'd probably be better off
>> with MS Office Word for designing a letterhead, in fact it even has
>> Wizards
>> for this job, so even someone totally inexperienced with design could
>> create
>> a professional looking letterhead :)
>
> A matter of opinion...YOU try floating a gif *behind* some text in WORD.
Umm make the text a text box without a border bring it to the front,
align it with the GIF as desired, group them and position the group as
required.
Format the GIF as "behind text"
As a start.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383095 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 00:22 |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> owdman [at] googlemail.com wrote:
>> DIY - Word, Publisher, Quark, Indesign etc etc whatever programme you
>> have. Lotsa people do it, who needs a local printer nowadays when you
>> have one on your desktop? If your desktop printer isn't very good a new
>> one would be cheaper than employing a live one. It'd pay for itself in
>> one job.
>>
>
> Desktop printers are either inkjet, which is useless (not waterproof and
> very naff) or low res.or both..you need at least 600dpi for a class
> laser print job, and even that is never up to a proper lithoplate print.
>
> Such printers are not cheap.
A second hand Phaser 850 or 860 can be had for £50 to £100. Thy provide
real 1200 dpi output, overprinting each of the four colours on the same
dot which gives a resolution higher than offset litho.
These printers will emulate most presses accurately and are frequently
used for colour match prints.
> The break even point between laser and setting up for a proper print
> depends on the number of colors, but its usually in the hundreds of
> copies range.,Below that a professional laser printed job is the way to go.
>
> Use of WORD to prepare the artwork is not advised...it has not the
> functionality to do the job. Quark or Corel Draw or one or two other
> packages are better.
Corel is a vile waste of space, near impossible to get accurate colour
output from it.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383096 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 00:24 |
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RB News wrote:
> Aaaah, for the good old days of letterpress! A jobbing printer would have
> set this up on an Adana 8x5 in no time . . .
Yes, but then there would be the terrible decision about which graphic
to select. The distorted cat, the fat and out of proportion car or the
"slinky" woman in a 1930s dress.
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| Re: Need 50 slick-looking sheets of letterhead [OT] [message #383102 ] |
Mo, 24 April 2006 01:20 |
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Jonathan Bryce wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>
>> Do you think I get the results I want by making a design on my own PC
>> and taking it to a pro copy shop that has something like colour laser
>> printing. I have heard of Kinko but never used them.
>>
>> What other options should I consider?
>
> A top of the range inkjet printer such as the Canon Pixma IP8500 will
> produce excellent results, much better than you can get from a laser
> printer, and at least as good as what you would get from a commercial
> printer. Mine cost me £280 when I bought it. It is probably cheaper now.
Canon Pixma inks are not lightfast.
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